Obama lied about effectiveness of waterboarding

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In his recent speech on the released CIA memos, President Obama states that the techniques used by agents “did not make America safer.”

This is an egregious lie.

Without going into too many details,, let us take the case of 9-11 “mastermind” Khalid Sheik Mohammed. While KSM easily resisted “soft” CIA techniques to extract information from him, stating that the US would soon find out what was in store for it, waterboarding changed his tune. He revealed a plot to smash yet another airliner into the Library Tower in Las Angeles, the tallest building on the West Coast. With the information gained from him during the waterboarding episodes came the discovery of the Guraba Cell which was to carry out the hijacking and plane attack.

Many parts of the memos that discuss much of the information uncovered from the “enhanced techniques” are blacked out. Interesting.

This morning as a I watched an MSNBC pundit go on about the “torture”, no it was torture, I listened to her state again and again that the technique doesn’t work, because as some of the memos state, KSMwas  waterboarded 183 times. She was outraged that it took 183 events to ellicit information.

For one thing, she was completely misrepresenting the context of 183 events. You don’t ask a militant jihadist, sworn enemy of the US and Israel and devout pursuer of Paradise: “Hey dude, you like a, ya know–kill folks?”

Interrogators want details, because the Devil’s hiding amongst them. Details require repeated questions. Verifying that previous answers were not lies needs repetition.

I could argue that if waterboarding really does rise to the level of torture, why did it take so many events? If we had been smashing his fingers with a hammers or squeezing his testicles in a vice, how many events do you suppose would have passed before he spilled everything he knew? That’s torture. Waterboarding is just scary.

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15 thoughts on “Obama lied about effectiveness of waterboarding

    kernunos said:
    April 21, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Obama has been known to lie. Waterboarding is such ‘weenie’ torture. They should put all of the detainees in a big room and make them have rock, sticks or even clam fights. Last man standing gets tortured. 🙂

    Amos Volante said:
    April 21, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    So from now on what can we do?

    Can we threaten to send them to SERE school?

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    SERE school is a great example of the “torture” of our troops. Many aspects of the school are extremely brutal (and classified).

    As for clam fights, the first terrorist that took a freshwater clam off the forhead would would start spillin’ the beans. I know; I still have a scar.

    John Ryan said:
    April 21, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I am sure that the mock executions in SERE were really scary too SERE is pretend torture and everyone knows it . Torture is great for extracting confessions, and if that is what you want then go for it. Critical information is always compartmentalized, all of you should know that

    kernunos said:
    April 21, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Here was my favorite lie of Obama’s. These people are sociopaths.

    http://politicalcrunch.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/obama_lies_about_own_statements_on_the_surge_in_iraq/

    kernunos said:
    April 21, 2009 at 11:36 pm
    magus71 responded:
    April 22, 2009 at 6:57 am

    John Ryan,

    If SERE is pretend torture, than so is much of what the CIA was doing. That’s my point. Wouldn’t waterboarding be pretend too? Who’s it really hurting?

    reaganiterepublican said:
    April 22, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    What is obvious is that if the tables had been turned, this 7th-century savage KSM would have been chopping our heads off while making a video of it. Irresponsible grandstanding on the left is to be ignored, these people don’t know -or don’t want to know- what it takes to keep America safe.

    And waterboarding is not a near-drowning technique- the subject is never in danger of drowning. Water boarding is not torture- there is no physical harm to the subject.

    Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed is a BAD guy, wouldn’t talk, and was taunting US interrogators with “you’ll see”… so they obtained valuable info from him using this technique, which we now find-out prevented a 9/11-scale attack on Los Angeles. Who cares how many times it took?

    It was up to him how long before he decided to cooperate, didn’t have to be this way- apparently he clung stubbornly to a bad decision.

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

    Amos Volante said:
    April 26, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Good point, Reagn.

    At some point the libs must realize that getting the actual job done can sometimes be as important as protecting rights.

    But how would they know? Whenever there is world war or genocide these same morons are the ones who don’t survive, thus breeding more libs who think their ‘new’ ideas are right.

    What harm was done too society or intelligence accuracy by waterboarding Khalid?

    republicansaredumb said:
    December 1, 2009 at 4:14 am

    I don’t see how simulating drowning – filling up someone’s lungs with water until they black out – is not a form of torture. This is a form of “mock execution” which is recognized by the international community as a form of torture, and therefore not allowed. Also, we gained virtually no information from KSM and there is no way to prove if his statement was true. Most CIA officials, even most of the beloved Republican ones, agree that waterboarding is such a pyschological and physical ordeal that it is incredibly unlikely that information gained from such methods are reliable. Cinsaku Yuki, a waterboarding victim, and many others like him have admitted (after they have been commited to life in jail or worse) that everything they told was simply a lie to get out of the water boarding ordeal. Obviously, 183 attempts at torture with no realistic results is not an effective form of torture.

    kernunos said:
    December 3, 2009 at 12:49 am

    If you filled up someones lungs with water they would most likely be dead. Your other points are debateable but that one is not. 183 times that lungs were filled up with water and no death? Maybe you should do a little more research.

    democratsaredumber said:
    December 3, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Even if it is torture, it still begs the question: Did it make America safer?

    Yes, it did.

    conno said:
    May 19, 2011 at 6:35 am

    KSM wasn’t water boarded 183 times they splashed him with water 183 times and almost no waster can even get to his lungs unless he coughs because of the way that water boarding is setup

    Mike Curtis said:
    December 16, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Two points: 1. Learn to spell, it would make your statements more believable. 2. Someone is definitely lying, since the Guraba plot was spoiled in 2002 and KSM was not in custody until March 2013. Definitely egregious.

    magus71 responded:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Two points of my own: 1. There were indeed two whole mistyped letters in this article. Thanks for pointing it out. 2. Your’re wrong. KSM was captued in 2003.

    So what’s your point?

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