A conversation I had yesterday

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I had a conversation yesterday with a fellow intelligence analyst, concerning the effects of Islam on the people’s of Afghanistan and Arab nations. It went something like this:

Me: Yes, Afghanistan is a problem. Islam is holding its people back.

Her: Islam is not the problem.

Me: What is?

Her: Extremism.

Me: Well, that’s what the Taliban represents. Virtually any nation we would classify as Muslim is far behind the West in almost every area. They hate us but want to live here.

Her: They don’t know any better.

Me: So? Why do I have to appreciate their improper interpretation of reality? When their religion–or some interpretations of it–stops telling them to doing horrible things in order to satisfy a myth, then they’ll succeed. Keep doing things to piss off the entire world, and watch the world beat your ass. Like the Aztecs. They deserved to go away.

Her: (Incredulous) What!?

Me: Yes. I’m against human sacrifice to satisfy a myth.

Her: But there’s nothing saying that’s wrong.

Me: Yes, you say it’s wrong–when it’s you on the sacrificial altar. Watch Apocalypto. I’m against me being sacrificed. The Aztecs pissed off all the wrong people and paid the price. The Romans on the other hand did most things right. They were generous to their enemies in defeat, but strong in war. They were not ashamed of their own strength, but were reasonable.

Her: Rome fell.

Me: Yes. When they started doing the wrong things.

Mind you–smart lady with a bachelor’s degree. But I just don’t see the depth of critical thinking here.

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6 thoughts on “A conversation I had yesterday

    Amos Volante said:
    November 26, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Hmmm…this reminds me of the argument against the death penalty, but nobody can answer the question, “What if they murder YOU, or your child?”

    If you want to murder me, I’ll shoot your ass. What is wrong with my thinking here?

    magus71 responded:
    November 26, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    She resorted to a morality that doesn’t really exist.

    Typical college educated lib.

    kernunos said:
    November 27, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    The problem came when Liberalism took Extremism from the realm of a descriptor and made it a noun. Is Extremism some belief system or philosophy to her and other Liberals. They are always redefining and parsing words.

    Amos Volante said:
    November 28, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    As I’ve said before, conservative ideals are passed down from generation to generation, but when you’re dealing with liberals you are always dealing with a new generation.

    Because they didn’t survive the last!

    They keep trying to reinvent the wheel. Not using force, being gay, and allowing the proliferation of dangerous cultures in your midst, is a great way to make sure you’re gone in 50 years.

    Of course, that’s why they’re so damn energetic.

    lovebug35 said:
    November 29, 2009 at 12:22 am

    she sounds stupid..

    Bill said:
    November 30, 2009 at 2:21 am

    That’s the funny thing about moral relativism. You can deconstruct anything to the point it’s meaningless, but we know the world advances and works so meaning has to exist in some realm or another.

    Being a philosophy major in undergrad, I got really good at this game. Typical Sophist: “Morality doesn’t really exist b/c it’s a subjective notion. Everyone has their own right, so there’s no absolute morals. ”

    Sure, but isn’t the whole notion of objectivity a subjective notion . So your argument negaties the validity of subjectivity by engaging in subjectivity. The problem isn’t really subjectivity at all, it’s that you only like certain notions of subjectivity that suit your own prejudices.

    THat’s not my idea of course, but I’m content using it b/c it’s about as bullet proof of an argument as you’ll find.

    BTW, that’s a great take on history – I never thought of it that way but you’re absolutely right. I guess that’s why I love reading your posts so much 😉

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