Manufacturing Scandal

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Here, retired military intelligence officer Ralph Peters tells it like it is: Lazy journalism requires scandal. It is much easier to generate a story from what is not known than what is known. Thus, media types can turn what-ifs into headlines. The scandal that is Snowden is really only worth a few headlines. He did it, it’s a crime, he admits he did it. If the media wants to really milk this, they must talk about unknowns, possibilities, technicalities, and avoid the fact that recent court decisions have labeled NSA activities legal.  Disconnected, out of context arguments can be melded into unified theorems in which black helicopters no one ever sees are hovering outside our windows hoping to catch us surfing porn.

Members of the Congressional Intelligence committee have known the details of NSA programs for years. The fake outrage they present in hearings broadcast on CSPAN is populism of the most despicable sort.

A collapsing World Trade Center rings hollow to some, as does the fact that NSA employees have bosses to answer to everyday, and those bosses want dead terrorists on their list of achievements, not the URLs of gay porn sites visited by congressmen. To people, in America, both Left and Right, there is a pervading mythology that society, security, culture and good government are held together by mysterious, invisible forces, akin to luck. That’s false. Things work because of a concerted effort to make them work. Al-Qaeda has been kept in check not because jihadists are tired, had a change of heart, or because America apologized for its “rapacious” behavior abroad. They’ve been kept in check because almost every country in the Western world seized their bank accounts, jailed its operatives, killed its zealots, increased security at airports and other vulnerable nodes, and invaded its sanctuaries.

“Because Freedom”, is not an argument. Success is rarely a mistake.

 

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38 thoughts on “Manufacturing Scandal

    apollonian said:
    April 20, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Is Magus Losing His Grip?

    Al Qaeda is/was a creation of ZOG–get a clue. All the terrorism is done by ZOG as justification for their police-state run by attack-dogs such as u, magus. Impressive flurry of hysterical blogs u’ve produced lately, we see–impressing mostly u, I’m sure, to persuade urself u’re “good” and virtuous, no doubt.

    But I don’t think too many others are fooled by ur desperate “reasonings,” such as they are. Snowden observed the Constitution–which u don’t understand in ur desperate effort to pretend u’re good and virtuous. At least Snowden had the guts to act in accord w. his understand of Constitution–u can’t even grasp it.

    But let me reduce things to something u can understand in concrete manner. I say u’re an hysterical attack-dog, who unfortunately has access to something like a law-enforcement badge, and u’re the sort who’s obviously moved by the propaganda of an enemy, alien, and foreign nation–like Israel. And that’s all u’re pushing–the prop. of a an enemy nation. U don’t fool anyone, I dare say, much beyond urself.

    One of the signs of a disturbed mentality is the sort of abstraction-riddled language which approaches classic schizophrenia. Go down the list of ur abstractions recited just in this blog:

    (a) Begin w. ur thesis, “Lazy journalism requires scandals” Ho ho ho, well, we understand the mass-corp. Jews-media and their purpose of confusing/distracting the people at same time as pimping for terror-state of Israel. Too bad u’re not able to detail or substantiate ur thesis; rather, u just add more generalities.

    (b) “[E]asier to generate a story fm what is not known”?–what are u talking about?–can u give any examples?–just more assertion without substantiation–like ur entire article.

    (c) “Turning what-ifs into headlines”?–another empty assertion–but u think u’re actually saying anything, eh?

    (d) After more babbling, u insist courts have declared NSA “legal”–so what?–they’re corrupt and illegal ct.s in the first place, and u’re wrong about the various decisions on the NSA acts; see http://www.nationaljournal.com/technology/nsa-phone-program-is-illegal-privacy-board-says-20140123

    (e) “Disconnected, out-of-context arguments”?–that’s what urs are, eh?–filled w. schizoid-type abstractions barely related to anything concrete that we can discern.

    (f) Then u tell us how “despicable” it is that corrupt Congress people have to face the people they’ve betrayed and allowed illegal spying upon–u want them to brazen it out like ur Jew heroes always do, eh? But magus, Jews don’t have to get elected, u see–that’s the diff.

    (g) Then u give us this amazing statement which has to be quoted in full:

    “A collapsing World Trade Center is of much less significance than the idea that NSA employees have bosses to answer to everyday, and those bosses want dead terrorists on their list of achievements, not the URLs of gay porn sites visited by congressmen.”

    I should let this sentence of urs stand by itself for the amazingly addled thought contained within, eh? How could u possibly pretend to KNOW any of this (above-quoted)?

    (h) But u’re not finished, eh?–u gotta rave on, and u’re on a roll:

    “To people, in America, both Left and Right, there is a pervading mythology that society, security, culture and good government are held together by mysterious, invisible forces, akin to luck. That’s false.”

    U can read the minds of “people, in America,” eh? Ho hoo ho ho.

    (i) The rest of ur text is just more babbling, nonsense, and propaganda. The demonstrable and proven fact is al Qaeda was/is deliberate creation of ZOG, magus–but u’re just going to ignore that, eh?

    (j) Further, al Qaeda has been demonstrably aided, supplied, armed, and supported by ZOG and its allies, including Israel–al qaeda was used by ZOG in Libya, Iran, and now in Syria–CONTRARY to ur allegation about being “kept in check.”

    See magus, u’re losing ur grip on reality, buddy–it begins and began, I guess, w. ur overwhelming inferiority-complex and nearly psychotic urge to pretend u’re “good” and worthy–it’s now come to holding w. enemy nations–like Israel–spouting their propaganda, and now, as we see, babbling in near schizoid abstractions w. hardly any connection to concrete reality–in fact, as we see in case of al Qaeda, AGAINST the proven facts of reality.

    ajmacdonaldjr said:
    April 20, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 21, 2014 at 12:50 am

    Magus, there are 2 fundamental questions:

    1) Is the terrorist threat serious enough to justify mass domestic surveillance?

    2) Will domestic surveillance actually reduce the threat?

    It is clear that you and Ralph Peters have concluded that the answer to both questions is “yes.”

    But we have never had this debate as a society. These measures were undertaken without informing the citizens, and then they were kept secret as long as possible. I maintain that as free citizens we have a right to know what the government is allowed to do to us.

    One hypothesis I have considered is that the threat of nuclear terrorism is extremely high, but the government is afraid to tell us because they are afraid it will result in hate crimes against Muslims.

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:40 am

    “One hypothesis I have considered is that the threat of nuclear terrorism is extremely high, but the government is afraid to tell us because they are afraid it will result in hate crimes against Muslims.”

    Exactly. Don’t you think there’s a reason that Obama changed his tune 100% on security after he gained office. When he entered the White House, he finally had access to classified reporting. I think he was terrified.

    Did you hear what Obama said during his speech in Europe regarding the issues surrounding the NSA? “I’m afraid of a nuclear bomb going off in New York.”

    It doesn’t keep me awake at night, but I don’t think you’d be shocked to know, that as you sit where you are, there are people in the world colluding to make that bombing happen. How much margin of error do we have on this issue?

    You are correct–we need to discuss this as a society. Just know, that if we decide we don’t want this, and we abolish it, if there’s another big attack, we will go running back to it.

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    I think the government should just be honest about the threats we are facing and we should have a debate about what tradeoffs we should make between civil liberties and security.

    All the lying and weasel words just make me think they are hiding something and should not be trusted.

    9/11 would not have happened if the government had told the country that they should resist hijackers instead of sitting there and doing nothing.

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    The problem is TJ, even when the government is honest about threats people don’t believe them. People warned about bin Laden for years before 911.

    Plus, I notice that the media under reports incident, possibly because the same thing you mentioned about the government: they’re worries about anti-muslim hate. There have been instances where people were stopped at the border trying to get parts for nuclear weapons into the US.

    The conspiracy theorists are taking over. They think they are the skeptical ones, and those like me who mostly believe the standard story are the ones that will believe anything the government tells them. I think around 30% of people believe 911 was an inside job. How can we hope to survive as a nation when that is the case? Look how the Russians are now using this cynicism and credulity against us. It’s only the beginning, I believe.

    Mark said:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Neo-nazis and white supremacists couldn’t possibly offer a reasonable explanation to this dilemma. The easiest explanation…….”JEWS MUST BE BEHIND IT”! GIVE ME A BREAK….

    Truthfully I’m taking all of this with a grain of salt. Everyone in this situation is in some way guilty of lying. I couldn’t possibly support the NSA which let some snot nosed kid walk out their front door with classified data and I couldn’t possibly support snot nosed kid joking around with Putin after stealing classified data. I support no one. Is that a useless stance? Possibly. However, it is the safest and most noble in this situation.

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    How much can we blame NSA for being too secretive yet also too lax?

    Well, thanks to Snowden, the Russians and Chinese know more about NSA than we do.

    I’m for a CIA rendition of Snowden, trial, and if found guilty, the death penalty, just like the Rosenbergs got.

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    “I couldn’t possibly support the NSA which let some snot nosed kid walk out their front door with classified data…”

    This is the real scandal. Who has been held accountable?

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    The NSA’s been in existence for decades. This is the first time this occurred.

    The outrage seems to vacillate between NSA internal security issues and NSA/privacy issues. People seem determined to blame NSA, an organization comprised of 50% military people and 50% tech/math wonks, at any cost.

    Do I blame a bank when a bank robber walks off with $100,000? Maybe, but I blame the robber first and foremost.

    No Snowden, no leak.

    Where is the outrage against Snowden? Did he need to release all that data? Were hundreds of thousands of documents all related to NSA domestic surveillance? Not even close. There was only one document he needed to release and it was the very first one posted by the Guardian. But of curse, Snowden didn’t even really know what he stole. We’re fools and Putin and Snowden know it.

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    What about the Rosenbergs? I mean, they gave the Soviets The Bomb. Do we blame our government for that? The ultimate deterrent is knowing the government will arrest you and put you to death if you give away vital secrets.

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    This is NOT “manufacturing” scandal: this is the fact/reality that u desperately seek to ignore magus. It’s USA (ZOG) and Israel behind and supporting al Qaeda and terrorism in general: http://www.infowars.com/more-evidence-u-s-funds-al-qaeda-terrorists-in-syria/

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Here’s info on USA (ZOG) behind and supporting al Qaeda in Libya: http://www.infowars.com/u-s-government-backs-libyan-al-qaeda-while-hyping-terror-attacks-inside-u-s/

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Follow the numerous links in these stories: USA (ZOG) supports al Qaeda against Iran: http://www.infowars.com/us-inexplicably-accuses-iran-of-backing-al-qaeda-in-syria/

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    And this should take the cake: here noneother than top ZOG masterminds, the Council on Foreign Relations, defends, justifies, and advocates USA allying w. al Qaeda: http://www.infowars.com/cfr-calls-on-obama-to-befriend-al-qaeda-terrorist-group/

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Magus: the Rosenbergs were just fall-guys/patsies–get a clue. Soviets got nuclear secrets due to conscious intention of FDR and his closest aide, Harry Hopkins–see http://www.viralread.com/2013/06/05/top-fdr-aide-hopkins-was-soviet-agent-book-examines-betrayal/

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 21, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Magus, there have always been spies and traitors, and certainly some damage from Snowden was unavoidable. But–as you are well aware–even if one has a security clearance one is still supposed to have a “need to know” in order to access classified information. This principle was not followed in the NSA. There was a total breakdown in security, and Snowden was able to do far more damage than he should have been able to do. I think there should be accountability instead of ass covering.

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Here’s just the latest story on ZOG supplying al Qaeda, follow the numerous links in this story. Don’t doubt, all this weaponry is designed by ZOG to be eventually used against civilian air-liners in USA and Europe, ZOG then to blame the very “terrorism” they principally supply and feed. http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-in-syria-gets-manpads/

    Bill said:
    April 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    After this last series of posts Apollonian, EVERYTHING makes sense. Who’s the bigger fool, the fool or the one arguing with him. And at that point, the realization that i’ve been the bigger fool just sunk in. ZOG, Infowars, Bohemian Grove, oh my. If only I could figure out how to make money off each of Alex Jones’ failed predictions, I’d be rich enough to join the Grove and the Bilderbergs too.Reminds me of a pretty funny Algebra joke. If Trilateralist A travels South at 75 MPH, and Trilateralist B travels North at 65 MPH, how long will it take for them to take over the world? I’m guessing you’ll have an objective answer to this .

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    Here Sy Hersh (Jew) CONFIRMS it was ZOG which did the poison-gas attack in Syria last yr: http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/04/west-gassed-thousands-death-damascus/

    Bill said:
    April 21, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    And it’s true b/c he says so. B/c he’s never been caught lying about really absurd tin foil hat conspiracies. As easy as it is to kill someone, if there was hard evidence of this (B/c Assad is such a swell guy, he’d never do anything to hurt his own people) and Hersh had it, he’d be with Jimmy Hoffa right now. But conspiracies are your worldview, Israel is evil, I get it. While you do your thing, I’ll do mine, enjoying the West’s continued ascendency and the prosperity and longevity that comes from being lucky enough to have been born here.

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    Bill: tell us–is US Declaration of Independence built upon carefully detailed consp. theory by T. Jefferson?

    magus71 responded:
    April 21, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    “But–as you are well aware–even if one has a security clearance one is still supposed to have a “need to know” in order to access classified information. This principle was not followed in the NSA. There was a total breakdown in security, and Snowden was able to do far more damage than he should have been able to do.”

    TJ, on this we agree. However, it will be tricky how to figure out a system that allows a sharepoint admin to do his job even if he has no need to know.

    Perhaps Bill can weigh in on this, as he is an expert in the area. And you, too, TJ, aren’t you IT?

    Bill said:
    April 21, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    @Apollonian – Again, dodging every single thing I asked but we’ll play this unilaterally. No, the Declaration of Independence wasn’t a conspiracy theory from Thomas Jefferson, at least if it was, I have no evidence of it. And by definition there needs to be more than one for a conspiracy if I follow.

    TJ, Doug – Sharepoint is mainly a glorified file system. So think of your C:\ drive. We have network drives at work but they are woefully inefficient for many tasks. Sharepoint lets you do stuff with documents like, check in versions (so you can see the progression of them and changes) and a few things like that. It’s a tragic oversimplification but you get the idea. A Databse administrator needs to be able to do everything with a database, except necessarily see all the data . At many places b/c of lack of security, an Admin can see everything. Same with a network admin. But they shouldn’t be able to. I should be able to backup and restore something but not know that you failed a drug test or that what your salary is. My company policy may be such that I allow it but generally it’s a big no-no. At the NSA, I guarantee it’s a Nono. he should have been able to grant access to places without having access himself. And one whole reason you use share point is that you can see every time someone searched for a doc and found it, or if they opened it or modified it – OR PRINTED IT or SAVED It. in our own house we have more sophisticated document tracking then this, using SharePoint – so for the NSA to not have it, it’s inconceivable. And for him to do this, multiple levels had to be breached or ignored. Access to the documents, Ability to view them, ability to save them – and all undetected. I can’t imagine how this happens unless osmone was sleeping on the job, trusted him and never bothered to see if he was being honest. I can say this – it SHOULD not have happened – if it happened at Humana or Blue Cross or a few clients i’ve had, you’d be fired and sued and probably prosecuted depending on what you did with the data. But to get it out undetected – without someone (and groups of them) sleeping on the job for a while, it’s hard to imagine.

    apollonian said:
    April 21, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    By golly, Bill, u deserve credit for honesty, if nothing else, ho ho ho ho ho–but maybe u ought to try reading the Declaration of Independence.

    Bill said:
    April 22, 2014 at 12:20 am

    Apollonian – Ok I give, your smarter and more clever than I am – but i have no fucking idea what you’re talking about with the Dec Of INdependencr

    apollonian said:
    April 22, 2014 at 12:23 am

    Bill: u deserve an A for honesty, by golly, ho hoho hohoho

    magus71 responded:
    April 22, 2014 at 1:09 am

    Bill and TJ,

    I’m all for firing people in government whom egregiously fail at their jobs. But as has been said with the military: A private gets more punishment in the army for losing his rifle than a general does for losing a war.

    Bill said:
    April 22, 2014 at 1:49 am

    @Apollonian – I think you said that already – anything else or are you just going to ignore the other points?

    Doug – yah, that’s truly unfortunate although so goes life. It’s not just that way int he military. Crimes against the rich and powerful (or well liked and attractive) are treated more seriously than against the powerless and poor. Crimes against the state are treated more seriously than those against the individual

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 22, 2014 at 1:51 am

    Magus,

    I am calling for the top 2 or 3 layers of management at NSA to be fired. Need some general housekeeping and new management.

    Bill said:
    April 22, 2014 at 3:35 am

    T.J. I think whoever hired him should b eevaluated to see if they followed protocol. from what I know of the screening process, it’s hard to see how he would have gotten through. I have a friend who’s doing much lower level work who got grilled into the ground about a trip to Costa Rica alone (his friend bailed at the last minute). IF they had no policy about data queries and retrieval, heads should roll for that but I know they do. So whoever wasn’t monitoring him – they should be fired. I don’t know enough to call for several layers but in govt, usually it’s people at the top that make the rules and if they aren’t enforced, it’s b/c they are intentionally overlooking them (i.e. Abu Ghraib). This shouldn’t have happened UNDETECTED. If he got the docs, made a dash for Russia and that was that, it’d be a different story, but when it was only detected b/c he was going public about it ( and I don’t want to play the “my inside source game” – just b/c I know someone doesn’t mean they’re not full of shit( but it sounded like they had no idea at first, and it took a few days for them to figure out what all he got. That’s bad.

    magus71 responded:
    April 22, 2014 at 3:58 am

    Bill, the company that did Snowden’s background investigation is being sued for faking over half a million investigations. I believe this the major problem. All working relationships are based on trust, that’s what a clearance is all about. Snowden did not even have the credentials to get hired in the first place, as I noted in one article.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140124/12433225982/doj-says-company-that-vetted-snowden-faked-665000-background-checks.shtml

    T. J. Babson said:
    April 22, 2014 at 11:32 am

    As soon as Snowden started asking for passwords from his co-workers red flags should have gone up. The fact that they did not shows that the culture at NSA needs to be changed, and the only way to do this is to change the management.

    The top 2-3 layers probably amounts to ~10 people or so getting fired.

    magus71 responded:
    April 22, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    They’re probably too busy getting sexual harassment training, just like the army.

    TJ, yes it’s true that as intel professionals they should have known better. Social engineering has proven time and again to be much more effective than hacking or anything technical. There’s one guy ;who’d done articles showing people what he can get. It basically plays upon people’s desire to be helpful.

    Jay said:
    April 22, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Good point T.J.

    magus71 responded:
    April 22, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Americans are a trusting people. It is our strength and our weakness. This type of thing would not happen in an authoritarian society because no one trusts anyone else.

    ajmacdonaldjr said:
    April 23, 2014 at 4:43 am

    magus71 responded:
    April 23, 2014 at 4:52 am

    Through what democratic process did the people of the US give Snowden the right to do what he did? This is a Republic, not mob rule.

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